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Doug Israel's avatar

I dont think most Americans want to radically upend the international order and retreat from our leadership role and I don't actually think Trump wants to. I do think a segment of MAGA as well of course has the American left does believe this and does want this to happen. Trump should not be playing footise with these radicals. But then there are many things Trump should not be doing that he does daily.

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Jim Dueholm's avatar

I agree we shouldn't upset the existing order, but I don't think that's the issue now. Trump in his first term used threats of withdrawing from NATO as leverage to make our allies pony up. The question now is what to do about the Ukrainian-Russian war, and Trump and our allies don't agree on that. I think Trump views the war as war without end, and that would be his view even if the European countries ponied up all he asks. I think he's doing what he's doing because he really wants to end the carnage and destruction, and doesn't believe open-ended funding by Europe and the U.S. will achieve that. Jim Dueholm

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