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Doug Israel's avatar

Its a shame that all the clarity shown with Israel is missing when it comes to Ukraine. Unfortunately the Democrats offered no real alternative. Sticking to the mantra of "dont risk escalation" Biden consistently gave Ukraine sufficient support to avoid defeat but nowhere near enough to win and force Russia back. Now Trump comes in and seems to have a soft spot for Putin. Bad all around

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I don't understand what, exactly, the US interest in Ukraine is. I don't understand what the military strategy is, and I don't understand what "winning" means - other than John Bolton's suggestion that Russia surrender its conquered Ukrainian land and Crimea and permit NATO on its border, even though it has a military advantage in this conflict. Wars should not be fought without a clear objective, and this one is as muddy as the Ukrainian plains in April.

Please don't tell me it's about "defending democracy." We could exhaust ourselves defending democracy in a world full of tyrannies, and Ukraine is hardly a shining example of democracy, given the 2014 Maidan Coup and the fact that Zellensky cancelled elections. The fact is he operates today as a self-appointed premier. If he is so popular, why not stand for re-election? If the Ukrainian people support this war so enthusiastically, why are Ukrainian youth fleeing the country to avoid it, and why did Zellensky have to fire generals for selling draft amnesty to worried parents?

It is silly to believe that Ukraine, even with hundreds of billions of dollars of foreign support, is going to prevail in a war of attrition with Russia, or fight to a draw and be able to claw back all of the land they've lost (I'm not including the Crimean peninsula in that statement, which Russia will never surrender).

I suspect this war has always been about expanding NATO into Ukraine (and gaining control of its mineral and agricultural assets in trade) and regime change in Russia (a long time fantasy of the evil Nuland/Vindman contingent in the State Dept and IC). That itself was a reversal of sound US policy during the HW Bush administration, which averred NATO expansion to the Russian border.

I do not support either of the Nuland-era objectives. I don't think they advance US interests in the near or long term, however they may profit certain western interests, and I think they defy common sense.

If the shoe were on the other foot, there is no way the US would tolerate Russia attaching Mexico or Canada in a military alliance, which is what NATO is. There is no way we would allow Russia to have dominion over their governments to gain control of their natural assets. Why is it so difficult to US policy-makers to admit the obvious fact that NATO presence in Ukraine is an important and understandable issue for Russia?

What has the west achieved in pursuing this policy for three years? The US-China-Russia triangulation of the pre-Cold War days has been reversed; Russia and China are now closer than ever, with the US as a common enemy. They are together encouraging/intimidating the BRICS against US interests.

Great job, Washington!

Finally, the main argument for the "interagency-consensus" - or the one that's publicly stated - always revolves around what a disreputable tyrant and rotten rat Putin is. He violates international norms! True enough. But the same is true of Xi, with his recurring threats and military exercises against Taiwan, turning islands in the South China Sea into air bases, not to mention his currency manipulation and violations of trade agreements, human rights, etc.

Putin exists. As long as he exists, a US President needs to deal with him. Joe Biden hadn't spoken to him since the war began, and he didn't speak to him during the 6-month run-up to the war when Putin was massing troops on the border, practically waving his arms and shouting that he might just invade Ukraine. A total failure of American diplomacy.

(As an aside: all those DC weekend warriors who want to depose him need to think more carefully about the men waiting in the wings to replace him).

It is not appeasement or selling out to engage an adversary to unwind or prevent war. The US has engaged with all manner of tyrants since 1945, usually to advance a strategic or economic interest. Supporting a bloody war out of a moral or personal distaste for Putin does neither.

I don't think there is any need to speculate about Donald Trump's feelings about Putin. He doesn't trust him except to pursue his self-interest and on the international stage, that's as far as trust should ever go. Trump regards him an adversary, but one who needs to be engaged and one whose military power should be respected, not mocked. You don't engage an adversary who is a nuclear equal by calling him nasty names and refusing to pick up the phone. Saving face is an important tool in settling wars.

I suspect Trump means what he says: he sees it as a pointless war, at least for the US, and one that could dangerously escalate on the battlefield if continued with NATO backing.

That said, what would I like to see happen? I'd like to see Ukraine and Russia reach an agreement, perhaps ceding the ethnic Russian region on the border, but otherwise maintaining its territorial integrity and its status as a sovereign state. I would like to see them hold elections, under international supervision so no one will suspect Russian (or American) interference, which would otherwise be certain.

Both the NATO nations and Russia should be able to agree that Ukraine will not be militarized by either party (and that includes bioweapons research) and that it will be able to make its own unilateral trade agreements with other nations.

Given its geographical and strategic position between Russia and NATO, Ukraine should be a Switzerland, not another Poland.

What to do if Russia breaks its word (as we never, ever do)? If the agreement is in his self interest, why would that happen? Russia is not an ideological or imperialist actor like the old Soviet Union or Iran. Their conduct of this war is plain evidence that they do not have the capacity to rebuild the old Soviet empire or conduct a broad conquest. The old strategy of containment - not regime change - is the one that should prevail here, and understanding an adversary's self-interest is the key to containment.

What is astonishing to me about the US hawks on Ukraine (across both parties) is their complete disinterest in understanding Putin as an adversary, as any of the great generals we've had studied their opposites.

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